right shoulder to ball

[tyorke1]

Mike, I was working on this today but to try and really explode into the ball with my right shoulder. I find that if I get the shoulder aimed to far in front of the ball I hit fades . Is it okay to go hard at the ball with the right shoulder and how much should the arms and hands leg behind.

[NCLefty]

Mike, I'd like hear your input on tyorke1's question too...

Interesting, I have the opposite going on. Have been working on increasing my hip turn through impact. Had a lesson today, and on the video, my hips seem to be rotating better, but my shoulders are stalling out prior to impact. What would be the ideal differential between the hips and shoulders at impact? If my hips are 25* open at impact, should the shoulders be 10* open? I'd say mine are almost square, and visibly stalling out. This is one reason I can't create the classic fully stretched position in the early followthrough. My instructor wants me to close that gap between the hips and shoulder. Basically, "feel like" the sternum keeps moving through impact. Where would you say the shoulders should overtake the hips? Well past impact I know, but how far into the finish?

[Michael Jacobs]

Mike, I was working on this today but to try and really explode into the ball with my right shoulder. I find that if I get the shoulder aimed to far in front of the ball I hit fades . Is it okay to go hard at the ball with the right shoulder and how much should the arms and hands leg behind.

Tyorke,

Great question!

The rear shoulder can play a huge role in analyzing your golf game and helping improve ball club contact.

There are 2 components that I think you should consider:

1. How the rear side of the body bends on the downswing which will lower the rear shoulder

2. How the trunk and pelvis rotate open on the downswing which will effect how much the rear shoulder rotates around.

These 2 components that I have just mention will have a great effect on the right shoulder location and ultimately the impact. There is a lot more that goes into it than just these 2 components but I think it serves as a very good simplified approximation of how to move and engage the right shoulder.

If the right shoulder appears to you that it is moving very far in front of the ball then fades are likely as the trunk is showing signs opening too much along with a lack of right side bend.

If hooks are happening, then it is a sign of too much right side bend and a lack of trunk opening.

These are some very useful guidelines ! If you are moving the rear shoulder at the ball in your mind's eye and the ball is traveling well, then chances are you have an excellent mixture of bend and opening. Hope that helps as it is just a little snippet of a way of classifying the movement

[Michael Jacobs]

Mike, I'd like hear your input on tyorke1's question too...

Interesting, I have the opposite going on. Have been working on increasing my hip turn through impact. Had a lesson today, and on the video, my hips seem to be rotating better, but my shoulders are stalling out prior to impact. What would be the ideal differential between the hips and shoulders at impact? If my hips are 25* open at impact, should the shoulders be 10* open? I'd say mine are almost square, and visibly stalling out. This is one reason I can't create the classic fully stretched position in the early followthrough. My instructor wants me to close that gap between the hips and shoulder. Basically, "feel like" the sternum keeps moving through impact. Where would you say the shoulders should overtake the hips? Well past impact I know, but how far into the finish?

NC Lefty,

I will share some more tour averages with you on rotation:

TOUR AVERAGE RANGE UPPER BODY ROTATION:
AT IMPACT
5 degrees - 26 degrees open

TOUR AVERAGE RANGE PELVIS ROTATION:
AT IMPACT
29 degrees - 50 degrees open



TOUR AVERAGE RANGE UPPER BODY ROTATION:
Half Way To Finish
43 degrees - 72 degrees open

TOUR AVERAGE RANGE PELVIS ROTATION:
Half Way To Finish
42 degrees - 65 degrees open

These statistics clearly show that the trunk rotation at impact a very small amount compared to the half way to finish measurement.

This should be some good information for future discussion!

[trickyric]

Tyorke,

Great question!

The rear shoulder can play a huge role in analyzing your golf game and helping improve ball club contact.

There are 2 components that I think you should consider:

1. How the rear side of the body bends on the downswing which will lower the rear shoulder

2. How the trunk and pelvis rotate open on the downswing which will effect how much the rear shoulder rotates around.

These 2 components that I have just mention will have a great effect on the right shoulder location and ultimately the impact. There is a lot more that goes into it than just these 2 components but I think it serves as a very good simplified approximation of how to move and engage the right shoulder.

If the right shoulder appears to you that it is moving very far in front of the ball then fades are likely as the trunk is showing signs opening too much along with a lack of right side bend.

If hooks are happening, then it is a sign of too much right side bend and a lack of trunk opening.

These are some very useful guidelines ! If you are moving the rear shoulder at the ball in your mind's eye and the ball is traveling well, then chances are you have an excellent mixture of bend and opening. Hope that helps as it is just a little snippet of a way of classifying the movement

interesting explanation, it seem so obvious when you write it but not something I would have thought of.

[Michael Jacobs]

interesting explanation, it seem so obvious when you write it but not something I would have thought of.

Thats why you make Pizza

[trickyric]

that is indeed true!

[NCLefty]

NC Lefty,

I will share some more tour averages with you on rotation:

TOUR AVERAGE RANGE UPPER BODY ROTATION:
AT IMPACT
5 degrees - 26 degrees open

TOUR AVERAGE RANGE PELVIS ROTATION:
AT IMPACT
29 degrees - 50 degrees open



TOUR AVERAGE RANGE UPPER BODY ROTATION:
Half Way To Finish
43 degrees - 72 degrees open

TOUR AVERAGE RANGE PELVIS ROTATION:
Half Way To Finish
42 degrees - 65 degrees open

These statistics clearly show that the trunk rotation at impact a very small amount compared to the half way to finish measurement.

This should be some good information for future discussion!

Mike, Can you post upper body rotation numbers for half way down?

Thx, Tracy

[Michael Jacobs]

Mike, Can you post upper body rotation numbers for half way down?

Thx, Tracy

Tracy,

I really enjoyed working with you for our 2 days golf golf lessons. I really think that you were illuminated by what takes place in a sound golf swing.

I will be happy to share the upper body rotation statistics for Half Way Down

14 closed to 2 closed is the range

[joeparr]

There are 2 components that I think you should consider:

1. How the rear side of the body bends on the downswing which will lower the rear shoulder

2. How the trunk and pelvis rotate open on the downswing which will effect how much the rear shoulder rotates around

Mike what really MAKES the right shoulder drop. I can move my left hip left and it drops or bring my hands down and that makes my shoulder drop and I could go on. When I try to drop purposly I get out of sinc. Shouldnt it come natural by just swinging down at the ball. You once said to imagine your right shoulder is the clubhead and try to hit the golf ball with it. It seems to me it should be a natural thing. What are your thought on this, I`m close with a good swing and want to be sure i`m on the right track and its not a bandaid....joe