LA with the driver

[RASWING]

MJ,
We often talk about getting our launch angle higher with the driver, But at times I have had my launch be to high at times to have optimized Carry and Roll with the driver.

I understand now that there is an optimal LA for Carry and now I understand theres and optimal LA for CARRY and Roll with all the info we get ... So now I think I have work hard on my Carry LA but now I need to understand how to get the ball just about 2 degrees lower with all things staying the same ... CH speed , Ball Speed , Smash Factor and HSP and AOA...

So is it a lower lofted driver ?

[Michael Jacobs]

MJ,
We often talk about getting our launch angle higher with the driver, But at times I have had my launch be to high at times to have optimized Carry and Roll with the driver.

I understand now that there is an optimal LA for Carry and now I understand theres and optimal LA for CARRY and Roll with all the info we get ... So now I think I have work hard on my Carry LA but now I need to understand how to get the ball just about 2 degrees lower with all things staying the same ... CH speed , Ball Speed , Smash Factor and HSP and AOA...

So is it a lower lofted driver ?

RA,

If you aren't going to change Angle of Attack then I would delve into either a loft change or a shaft change.

Shaft will have a huge influence on your dynamic loft.

I assume you are looking for High Launch - Low Spin?

[RASWING]

MJ,
Thanks thats what my buddy at the shop said also.... he said lower loft on the head it self or Shaft thats much stiffer with less shaft deflection... Thanks for all the help... not going to spend more money im just going to have to live with it for a while til i but away more dough...

Yes high launch low spin.... You guys have been great!!!! Always there for us knowledge seekers!!! Also I pulled the Trigger on the irons I ended up getting the CG16 irons and guy kicked in a dozen of the Z Star XV balls... Played my first round with them yesterday.......

Now with the wider soles I have to figure out how to tee them up on the par 3 holes.

[RASWING]

MJ,
When your on the lesson tee with your students working on the driver swing is there a time when you see us students over swing with the driver, we all know its a specialty club the play club but we also need distance to be in a place were we can score.

So I was thinking the other day it was SUPER windy and I had 5 holes that played straight into the wind. Well I set up the same way and swung what felt easy to me and flat flushed a few drives that flew into the windy dead straight and a decent distance.

So then when I was on the 4 down wind holes I did the same swing easy idea and I mean the ball flew off the face and they had a good distance to them.. I was wondering if there is something to it in regards to swing pace/rhythm/tempo. When dealing with the D plane?

Also when do know when your students have found the right driver tempo/ pace where they aren’t trying to knock the crap out of the diver because its the driver.. Also maybe that will also reduce spin because you’re not trying to hit it so hard?

Thanks
R/
RA

[Michael Jacobs]

MJ,
When your on the lesson tee with your students working on the driver swing is there a time when you see us students over swing with the driver, we all know its a specialty club the play club but we also need distance to be in a place were we can score.

So I was thinking the other day it was SUPER windy and I hade 5 holes that played straight into the wind. Well I set up the same way and swung what felt easy to me and flat flushed a few drives that flew into the windy dead straight and a decent distance.

So then when I was on the 4 down wind holes I did the same swing easy idea and I mean the ball flew off the face and they had a good distance to them.. I was wondering if there is something to it in regards to swing pace/rhythm/tempo. When dealing with the D plane?

Also when do know when your students have found the right driver tempo/ pace where they aren’t trying to knock the crap out of the diver because its the driver.. Also maybe that will also reduce spin because you’re not trying to hit it so hard?

Thanks
R/
RA

Ra,
I don't think that this a D Plane discussion but one more about the acceleration profile of the golfer with an iron vs a driver.
If you think back to some instruction I have put onto the website discussing the driver and how the golfer has accommodate the the longer club - the acceleration of the golfer and the sensation of allowing it to 'LINE UP' would come earlier with the driver than that of a shorter club. Therefore, it is easier to see how a sensation of coasting with the driver would be very beneficial. Like I have said in the past, when the Pingman is hitting a driver they recalibrate the machine to have the robot 'release' or begin to 'line up' the club earlier than the irons or wedges

[RASWING]

MJ,
Yes I remember that info thanks for reminding me..... Sorry for the repeat question... Thanks

[Michael Jacobs]

MJ,
Yes I remember that info thanks for reminding me..... Sorry for the repeat question... Thanks

Never apologize for a question That is what the website is for

[RASWING]

MJ,
How often on the lesson tee do you see us Swinging too hard with the driver? How do you get a student to find there ideal swing that produces the best results ? Even if its not the results that you get from the FS and/or TM? That they can do under pressure and stay steady...

I know all of us could benefit from Optimization but I notice under presure I get more mistakes (wayward shots) when I use the optimized technique than when I have to go to less optimized but hitting more fairways so instead of 269 off the tee I hit is 250 but its easier to do?

[Michael Jacobs]

MJ,
How often on the lesson tee do you see us Swinging too hard with the driver? How do you get a student to find there ideal swing that produces the best results ? Even if its not the results that you get from the FS and/or TM? That they can do under pressure and stay steady...

I know all of us could benefit from Optimization but I notice under presure I get more mistakes (wayward shots) when I use the optimized technique than when I have to go to less optimized but hitting more fairways so instead of 269 off the tee I hit is 250 but its easier to do?

RA,

Competitive golf is the 'Grandest of Stages'

The ultimate test of golfing ability is the Competitive Tournament, style is completely tossed out the window and all that matters is a score. You are no longer a golfer but a number.. at the end of the round they ask you 'What did you shoot'
They do not ask 'what is the vertical launch angle of your driver and is it optimized?'

All of the other stuff is to best prepare you for the competition. Even at the highest level, anxiety and the flow of competition creeps into the equation. If you look at some of the Trackman data about club speed, the Sunday tournament speed numbers are on average 2 miles per hour more than other days.

Some of the best advice I can offer on this subject is:

1. EXPERIENCE
The more you do it, the more comfortable and better you will get at it

2. PATIENCE
18 holes is a long time, 36, 54, and 72 hole events are an extremely long time. A lot can happen in a round of golf, you want to do your best to react to all shots in the same style

3. WORK YOUR WAY UP TO THE FREE WHEEL!
Whenever tackling a competitive round, I train all my players to work their way up to maximum distances. 18 holes is a long time and needs a steady pace. Look at the horses in the race, no one comes out sprinting!

In 18 holes, I like my players to play the first 6 holes working up to full distances. Holes 7 - 15, continue on the same pace and try and attack 3 of those holes. Holes 15-18 assess where you are at and go get them!

I like to see the players I coach attack maybe 1/3 of the flags and the other 12 shoot more for a portion of the green or fairway. I see so many players come out of the box ALL OUT, and they are usually in for a long day.

If you can shoot similar scores in practice and in competition, you are ahead of the pack!

[RASWING]

MJ,

Thanks great insight... I just feel I started this game to late... I always feel if I am trying to catch up the golfing experience... My competitive spirit seems to out way my tournament knowledge... I have been playing event golf now for 5 years and its hard you feel that your as good as these guys and girls but just seems the scores on a consistent basis don’t say it... Just frustrated... In the big picture... it really doesn’t matter... I sure would like to put it all together more often…. I have the practical knowledge and I have had some really good competitive rounds but it has been challenge putting 3 to 4 days together…. Just venting … I will go work on it tomorrow….. I love this game
Thanks again for the advice